Our Father (God) does not and never will sanction a marriage between good and evil.
He doesn’t desire it, but He sure acknowledges the validity of such a union………. I Corinthians 7:12-14.
Are you trying to tell me that God would acknowledge a marriage where the husband decides he wants to become a woman and has a sex change operation? You do realize that this happens and the couple stays married?
How about the marriage where the couple are into “swinging”? You know Oprah did a show on these couples and they are perfectly comfortable with their mates being intimate with others. In fact, they encourage it as a way to make marriage better. Do you honestly think God looks down and puts His stamp of approval on marriages like this?
I didn’t say that God thinks the actions WITHIN the marriage are good. I said He see such marriages as VALID marriages. You seem to be saying that such marriages are not valid due to sin within the marriage, correct? The only marriages I can see that are not valid scripturally are those marriages in which one or both partners are not free to marry each other.
You did say this correct?
“To the contrary, Paul acknowledges that the union of believer and unbeliever is “joined” by God and the unbeliever is sanctified due to the believing spouse.”
I have just shown you what you asked, “if you can show me how that (adulterous) sinful relationship now has changed into a lawful one”
Ah, but that’s not what I asked, is it? I asked for you to show me that the relationship of a couple who are committing adultery (meaning they are joining with another’s spouse, remarriage) changes somehow through confession into a marriage joined by God.
You see, we already have a precedent that shows an unbeliever and believer can be joined by God………..but can you show me how one that is bound in marriage to their covenant spouse, commits adultery with another, is then joined by God to the one they are committing adultery with?
The passages you offered in Malachi 2 and in Ezra were unlawful and sinful and shows a clear picture in opposite of 1 Corinthians 7 in Christ, Perhaps you should ask Jesus why a sinful relationship between unbelievers and believers are now sanctified in Him, which was not seen in Mal 2 and in Ezra.
The issue was not so much of the priest who joins with an unbeliever as it was with the putting away of one’s covenant spouse—-the wife of one’s youth, in order to marry another. See, the big issue here is whether one is even free to marry in the first place. Two singles (never married or widowed) ARE ALWAYS free to marry. That is not the case with persons who are divorced while lawfully married. Notice I do not place all divorced persons in the same category. Some are divorced that were Unlawfully joined. In other words, they in marrying someone divorced, were committing adultery. The Unlawfully joined ARE free to get married again since their first marriages were not “joined” by God, but declared by Him to be adultery.
If you would stop twisting what I have already offered and apply the correct principals then you would see that I never said adultery was lawful, and I never said remarriage was a sinful relationship.
In short view…
I said the remarriage, for the lack of the correct word marriage, is a lawful marriage as are all marriages are between sinners and between saints as established in the beginning… as Jesus said. And I believe I gave the scripture that basically proved this in Romans,
I never stated that you said remarriage was sinful. You obviously do not believe Jesus meant what He said. As for the scripture in Romans that proves what you believe, I don’t believe that to be true. The passage Paul spoke in Romans 7:2-3 shows that not to be the case. DEATH dissolves a marriage and allows for a lawful remarriage to take place. If death has NOT occurred, then the one remarrying will be called an adulterer/adulteress—-present tense.
The absolute dictates that if one divorces the current to go back to the former while the current is a lawful, then according to Jesus, a divorce can not be for anything other than sexual immorality. PERIOD.
This means one can not divorce the current spouse for any other reason, because the marriage is just as lawful as the first, and is bound by the very same laws. That is why it is called adultery, there has to be a legal reason to name it adultery.
Again, then you believe ALL marriages are lawful…….incestuous, etc and cannot be forsaken because you believe the Lord “joins” those and prohibits ALL divorce?
This is why Paul said, one, or in truth “both spouses”, must “remain unmarried” in order to be reconciled, which means no contamination, other wise it is an abomination to the Lord.
Interesting……….Gomer was taken back by Hosea and this at the Lord’s leading.
Do you really believe God has signed off on every marital choice made? It is allowed, you can marry whomever you choose in obedience to scripture or not. But doesn’t mean every marriage you see has been what God would deem as suitable for them.
When it comes to 2 people that are free biblically to marry? Yes, I believe God “joins” them as One as Jesus teaches. As far as those who enter into illicit relationships as defined by Jesus, no, I don’t believe He signs off on those relationships. They are sin. Many people seem to have the notion that it is quite ok with the Lord to keep trying to find the right mate until we “get it right”—-til we find that person who fulfills us. I can’t seem to find any scripture which leads me to believe this mindset. As a matter of fact, it appears that biblically speaking that some may have a real hard road to haul and that it most certainly is ordained of God. Maybe some of us have a hard lot because we NEED to have a hard lot—–for spiritual growth—for the kingdom’s sake.
Instead of plowing ahead, many give up because it is “too hard”. Again, I can’t seem to find that mindset in scripture either. Instead, we find that “those who persevere to the end shall be saved”……….The Lord clearly said concerning the other end of the spectrum………that He has no pleasure in them that “shrink back”.
OK, so then does the spouse who is now born again, go back to the unbelieving 1st marriage spouse? Wouldn’t that be contrary to “do not be yoked with an unbeliever? Please clarify….and the comment about “divorcing is ok due to spouse immorality”–, have you researched the 2 part Jewish marriage, and what “pornia” and “adultery” really mean in those true contexts? It then means no divorce after consummation or 2nd part, but during the betrothal, 1st part a man could give her a writ of divorce (only here) for unchastity, pornia. Changes everything doesn’t it? Check it out,
As to the going back to an unbelieving spouse, if one is “JOINED” by God already, what changed, if a divorce didn’t dissolve the covenant? They are still married in the sight of God.
My thought is that if one has ever been “labeled” or guilty of adultery that God can forgive and remove that sin. If one is no longer guilty in God’s eyes how can another claim that a marriage bound by God (especially if God never recognized the 1st to an unbeliever) be adulterous?
God very much DOES recognize a marriage between a believer and unbeliever, otherwise such a marriage would be called fornication, and the children born of such a marriage, children of fornication—yet, we do not see that in scripture (I Corinthians 7:13-15). If one has been guilty of adultery, yes, the Lord will forgive such a one WHEN they forsake the illicit relationship. It can only be illicit in God’s eyes because the person/person’s involved are ALREADY joined to another in God’s eyes. There is absolutely no indication in scripture that God will, upon confession of guilt, dissolve the marriage He joined together (rip apart the ONE He created), and then join the two who were previously spoken of by Him as being in adultery. The only time we see that God WILL join two that were previously in adultery is when the original spouse(s) pass away and the “left” one is then freed to be with another (Romans 7:2-3, I Corinthians 7:39).
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How can a person live a godly life and at the same time submit that life to someone who practices ungodliness? “For either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other…” (Matthew 6:24). You cannot love the Lord your God with all your heart while lowering and yielding yourself and your children to accept, partake and participate in things that the Lord Himself detests.
1 Peter 2:19-3:1
19For this finds favor, if for the sake of conscience toward God a person bears up under sorrows when suffering unjustly.
20For what credit is there if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure it with patience? But if when you do what is right and suffer for it you patiently endure it, this finds favor with God.
Christ Is Our Example
21For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps,
22WHO COMMITTED NO SIN, NOR WAS ANY DECEIT FOUND IN HIS MOUTH;
23and while being reviled, He did not revile in return; while suffering, He uttered no threats, but kept entrusting Himself to Him who judges righteously;
24and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.
25For you were continually straying like sheep, but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Guardian of your souls.
1 Peter 3
1In the same way, you wives, be submissive to your own husbands so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word, they may be won without a word by the behavior of their wives,